If we believe the Bible, then we must say she was "deceived." We either call God unrighteous for punishing her or we assume that she bore personal responsibility at least for not taking the issue up with God whose voice walked the Garden of Eden. Ultimately we are responsible for ourselves.
Old Goat
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The Ravings of Trolls Distracts FOCUS From Real Watchtower Scandals
by cofty inmy thread was inspired by gentledawn's insightful comment about the effect the events in wales had on her jw husband.... hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.
this the problem with those who focus on outrageous fantasies about the watchtower.
it distracts from the real issues that need to be highlighted.. what happened in wales was for real.
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The Ravings of Trolls Distracts FOCUS From Real Watchtower Scandals
by cofty inmy thread was inspired by gentledawn's insightful comment about the effect the events in wales had on her jw husband.... hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.
this the problem with those who focus on outrageous fantasies about the watchtower.
it distracts from the real issues that need to be highlighted.. what happened in wales was for real.
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Old Goat
It is probably an unpopular view, but we are responsible for ourselves. Focus feels duped by who ever converted him to Witness theology. Others feel similarly. But we are responsible for the decisions we make. If we failed to investigate before conversion, the fault is our own. If we persist in believing the impossible, that’s our fault too. If we adopted a manner of life we found we could not sustain, we made that decision.
Blaming others for our walk in life makes us resemble a guilty child who shouts, “I didn’t do it!” Witnesses do not hold a knife to anyone’s back. They persuade, apply social pressure, hold out a system of “holiness” and reward. But if we were persuaded to believe, the final decision was our own. Assume responsibility for yourself.
What Focus does resembles a tempering child. If we seek to dissuade others from being Witnesses or simply wish to put our own case forward, we do not succeed by being an abusive, screaming child. We may do so by being a rational adult.
Focus makes many claims. Others on this board can make better ones and with a firmer basis for them. However, it is not a claim about oneself that matters. It is rational discourse. If we were convinced that Witness doctrine was rational, most of us do not see it that way now. If we wish to reach others, we do it best by being rational, factual and honest. One cannot be or project any of those things by ranting.
Those who quietly wrote letters back before Focus even questioned Witness belief, who met in person with Watchtower authorities, who cornered them at conventions or in the hallways at Bethel and put difficult questions to them are the real heroes of this story. The brash and rude and irrational are not. They cloud the issue.
The Witness organization tries to remove one’s sense of personal responsibility and standing before God, replacing it with the mind of the elders and other Witness hierarchy. That may explain why some of us focus on others, when we made the decisions that took us into the Witness organization and out of it again.
Focus, I do not see maturity in your future.
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The Ravings of Trolls Distracts FOCUS From Real Watchtower Scandals
by cofty inmy thread was inspired by gentledawn's insightful comment about the effect the events in wales had on her jw husband.... hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.
this the problem with those who focus on outrageous fantasies about the watchtower.
it distracts from the real issues that need to be highlighted.. what happened in wales was for real.
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Old Goat
Usually, those who assert their genius don't have the intelligence they claim. They have mental health issues. In this case we have many claims and no substance. All that's happening here is that a disinfranchised man is looking for attention he can't get elsewhere.
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The Ravings of Trolls Distracts FOCUS From Real Watchtower Scandals
by cofty inmy thread was inspired by gentledawn's insightful comment about the effect the events in wales had on her jw husband.... hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.
this the problem with those who focus on outrageous fantasies about the watchtower.
it distracts from the real issues that need to be highlighted.. what happened in wales was for real.
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Old Goat
Simon, thanks.
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The Ravings of Trolls Distracts FOCUS From Real Watchtower Scandals
by cofty inmy thread was inspired by gentledawn's insightful comment about the effect the events in wales had on her jw husband.... hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.
this the problem with those who focus on outrageous fantasies about the watchtower.
it distracts from the real issues that need to be highlighted.. what happened in wales was for real.
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Old Goat
my question to Simon is, why is he back? apparently his only interest is in disruption.
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The Ravings of Trolls Distracts FOCUS From Real Watchtower Scandals
by cofty inmy thread was inspired by gentledawn's insightful comment about the effect the events in wales had on her jw husband.... hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.
this the problem with those who focus on outrageous fantasies about the watchtower.
it distracts from the real issues that need to be highlighted.. what happened in wales was for real.
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Old Goat
Focus,
I take it back. You are a moron. buy a good grammar guide and figure out how definite articles are used in sane life. Isn't it time for your thearapy?
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The Ravings of Trolls Distracts FOCUS From Real Watchtower Scandals
by cofty inmy thread was inspired by gentledawn's insightful comment about the effect the events in wales had on her jw husband.... hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.
this the problem with those who focus on outrageous fantasies about the watchtower.
it distracts from the real issues that need to be highlighted.. what happened in wales was for real.
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Old Goat
Focus, without calling you a moron, not every mention of "truth" refers to the Watch Tower organization. IF anyone is conditioned by that term here, it seems to be you.
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My Open Letter to the WTS
by braincleaned intoday, i was pissed.
so i wrote an official open letter to the borg.
i'm posting it everywhere i can.. .
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Old Goat
"Ambassadors substitution for christ" is a Biblical phrase. It's found at 2 Corinthians 5:20. On that basis, I'm not sure what your point is.
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The Ravings of Trolls Distracts FOCUS From Real Watchtower Scandals
by cofty inmy thread was inspired by gentledawn's insightful comment about the effect the events in wales had on her jw husband.... hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.
this the problem with those who focus on outrageous fantasies about the watchtower.
it distracts from the real issues that need to be highlighted.. what happened in wales was for real.
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Old Goat
I agree, Crofty. There is endless nonsense, and the truth is the loser because of it.
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Old Goat
That's me. I was baptized in 1948. First met the Witnesses in 1944. It is now 2014. I'm still waiting. Not much longer I fear, unless i reach the proverbial 120.